The contribution of Deut.22:25-27 you made, to me was an outstanding enlightenment. I have included that in my letter writing to prove the "two witness rule" is of apostate orgin. NY has not liked your workmanship, they have came down very hard as to anyone talking to my df'd son, here a couple of weeks ago. He is going to a funeral tomorrow and I will expect him to experience a total silence, due to what I learned from you. Your workmanship has become known in Northern California.
Bill Covert
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I thought it was time to talk.....
by wozza ini'd like to relate an experience i had yesterday with a couple of jw's "working" with a cart yesterday.. been coming to this site for many years and these days i don't feel i've got much to contribute ,but i was out yesterday doing some voluntary work for a friend who has gone on an overseas trip .travelling around my local seaside area doing the job at hand ,i came across a couple of jw's sitting in a shelter overlooking the beach and had their trolley propped against a large public rubbish bin ,it was actually hard to see ithe trolley from most angles - whatever happened to lifting the basket to show the light stuff ...oh well .the large carpark was pretty empty except for us ,we've had pretty wet weather here lately ,bad storms and here they were set up for a days witnessing rugged up with wind and spitting rain ,i sort of thought " well that's dedication " ....that was my first thought then i pulled myself together and then thought "if i wanted to get some time in and not have to work at it too hard this maybe the place to go if i was a jw still".. well i finished my pickup and looked over at the two and realised i'd read other's experiences about approaching the cart people and wondered if talking to them would be of any benefit as i had witnessed this area for many years and my stance against the wts for hiding molestation of children is well known ,i thought, and they avoid me like the plague.. they were'nt familiar to me so i went up to them and introduced myself and quickly let them know who i was and what i am doing now as regards jw's.
they were a married couple middle aged been in for a long time and could relate to changes in the org very well to pre 1975 when i had first contact.
they pretty much suggested i was blinded to the truth ,when challenged on the royal commission into sex abuse they pointed to a case where they believed a victim they supposedly knew of in the jws was a liar ,so that's their case for the org -unbelievable.
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1958 Convention Program. 8 days from 9am till 9pm. Anyone attend?
by StopTheTears inhow in the world did they justify this torture?
imagine the children forced to sit in the summer heat at yankee stadium for 12 hours a day.
for 8 days.
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To me those assemblies were opprtunities for adventure from a dreary JW childhood as it offered the oppertunity to 'work' at the assembly. I fed Otto Stores tray drying machine in Candlestick in 1961, Rose Bowl in 63, Candlestick in 66. Was in charge of garbage removal in Atlanta in 69. Which was cool, that way I didn't have to go out in field service and didn't have to were meeting clothes, as I was 'working'.
Those who went to Candlestick Park well knew the Mark Twain quote " that the coldest winter he ever knew was a summer in San Francisco".
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Had a operation today and was asked about blood transfusions.
by atomant inoperation was successful only minor but some interesting information was revealed to me from the surgeon.l requested that they treat me as if l was a jehovahs witness with regards to blood transfusions.the doctor said well that varies from jw to jw and l asked what do you mean?his response was that in his dealings with jw's was that approx half of witnesses will accept a blood transfusion in life threatening circumstances and sign a form saying so.l was blown away when he told me this.l was curious if others in here have heard similar storys.lt seems to me that many witnesses have weakened their stance on this controversial subject.
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I went in for a minor thying, when asked about blood I said there was no problem as I was DFed . The doctor of whom I knew [I provided a event where his two daughters played fiddles] I told him I was a former JW and he said "me too". -
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Fleecing the Flock
by Coded Logic inat the last assembly i attended in 2005 the cost was $11,000 per day in yuba city (just over two hours away from our circuit).
this always seemed a bit high for a facility that was built on donated land and whose construction loan had been paid off for 20 years.. i just looked up the cost to rent the redding civic center, which is just as nice if not nicer and a whole lot closer for our circuit, and it only costs $2,500 a day plus $250 for consumables (parking included).
if it would save the brother's and sister's $8,250 a day and they could have the assembly locally why wouldn't they do it?.
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That is where we used to hold the two circuit assemblies. Worked out good. Think about the bros who lived in Alturas, long drive to Redding, now add the extra 120 miles to Yuba City. Major undertaking for a worn out program.
Yuba City was built on that 'quick build' fervor, 1980's. Quite a 'cash cow'!
During the time the assemblies were held at the Civic center there was a city manager who made possible the affordable rates. He was replaced, next manager was going to raise the rate some but the real bone of contention was that the city went into contract with a food vender for exclusive rights to provide all food at center events. That was the selling point to build Yuba City.
Bill
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AustralianRoyal Commission is big news in oz
by sherrie11 inthe catholic church case study28 is currently a major news item here in australia.
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/01/george-pell-wasnt-much-interested-in-stories-of-abuse-by-priests-which-was-lucky-for-his-career&ved=0ahukewjjq_xlvqhlahxml6ykhdm0bdqqfghumac&usg=afqjcnfi_zb-5ibnlx2sw02siwh8i9s1ha&sig2=mmowhxclxmgu1wohyo7ofw.
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/mar/02/was-george-pell-now-scourge-of-the-vatican-once-hoodwinked-by-all-around-him&ved=0ahukewjjq_xlvqhlahxml6ykhdm0bdqqqumiizac&usg=afqjcnfx3qszc7zlocm8aw9h6j8vga_0hg&sig2=xkexfa7lfa6qjnlazwh8da.
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The story made it in the Redding Ca. newspaper on Monday and Tuesday.
I will use them in my harassment letters in a couple of days.
Bill
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Had a wonderful visit with Mr and Mrs Flipper Sat.
by 3rdgen ini haven't posted much lately because i got a new job at the end of nov. and it's taken much of my time and mental energy.
i still read though and care for you all very much so i thought i should let you know about the meet-up i had yesterday with mr and mrs flipper.. hubby got a call the day before from flipper saying he and his wife were going to visit his mother (who is in a rest home in my town) and would we like to meet up for coffee?
hubby couldn't make it but i was delighted to accept.. we picked a burger place not far from the rest home and where i knew jdubs don't usually hang out on saturdays.
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If that Pizza invite is close to Redding Let me know.
Bill
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Article: U.S. News & World Report-Mentions JWs.! "A look at how the federal criminal code regards hate speech _ what's legal and what's not"
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015-12-31/q-a-a-look-at-how-the-federal-law-regards-hate-speech.
doesn't the constitution allow me to say whatever i want?.
to a large degree, yes.
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I have been turned in to the US Postal Inspector for threatning speech in my letter writing campaign. Of which he carefully read and he found no real threats just allegories, symbolisms, and realized that all that was being was just someone fucking with the minds of a church. Interesting comment he made was that letters like mine are not that uncommon going through the mail. It did not take him long to realize the situtation of a church home wrecking and he wished me well in my endevor and to be mindfull to keep distance between my self and church so as not to trigger a restraining order.
I got turned into RPD for posting threats on Kingdom Hall doors [like Martin Luther] but police supervisor was quick to see the situtation of a father seperated from family by church. he was well aware of the principle of disfellowshiping. Agai wished me luck just keep my distance from the church.
Interesting today Dec 31 is a aniversary of the demise of a elder of whom the letter writing campaign was centered on [heart attack] resulting from my taping a court decission [as to a swindler, Raymond C. Dale was swindling a widow out of a trust deed] to the church doors 5 days earlier. And it was you Barbara who unlocked the mystery of Merton Campbell of the Service Dept. who had instructed the Circuit Oveerseer [Lester Bailey] and the disfellowshipping appeals committee to keep that court decision secret. that court case #149893 was finished two monthe prior to wife leaving the marriage on the grounds that I was a threat to her spirituality.
Wasn't it in Denmark where the WBTS was taken to task in the paper for violating the national law on "hate speech" pertaining to their "Human Apostate" talk in the 2013 summer convention? The attorney quoted stated that the Danish law was the result of Hitlers treatment of the Jews. It was in this "Human Apostate" talk where the church refered to my letter writing campaign as being a new tactic by apostates to write letters to the homes of the publishers.
So supposed threatening speech is a tool and can be used to stop hearts of elders with guilty conscience.
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Lorenz Reibling gives interview about real estate
by OrphanCrow inthis interview was posted april 16, 2015 on youtube.
lorenz reibling's replies to the reporter in argentina are in english.. lorenz reibling is intimately connected to the watchtower society and, according to some sources, is a jw himself.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3ssa-9yvii.
so who is lorenz reibling?
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In the utube interview L. Reibling is offering multiple multi million dollar investments for real estate projects. Does his companies have that kind of money to invest? I am by no means a finance person but it seem out of place to put on general media the message that you have millions to invest. To me that is jumping into shark infested waters with a cut bleeding blood.
So as I PMed you what is the chance that Reibling is the front man for the church to invest funds from the Brooklyn real estate assets into real estate ventures described by Reibing? And what is the chance that the sharks took that money resulting in the money crisis now facing the church?
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Who is Lorenz Reibling and could he be the front man for investment of Brooklyn's Millions?
by Bill Covert inorphan crow did a important post on lorenz reibling that centered on the medical area of ron lapin and bloodless sugury.
yet the utube interview dealt with reibling in argentina looking to invest in multiple $20 m - $50 m real estate financing.
there was no discussion as to who's money reibling is looking to invest.
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I was not speaking of other peoples money, I was speaking about WBTS money.
Read Orphan Crow's post on Lorenz Reibling where she does a lot of research into the back ground connections between L. Reibling and the WBTS. Then view the utube interview in Argentina. HOW IS IT THAT A MAN WITH BACKGROUND CONNECTIONS WITH THE WBTS IS IN POSSESSION OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO INVEST IN REA:L ESTATE VENTURES?
I pm ed Orphan Crow with the question as to whether the monies refered to in the utube video per chance could be WBTS money from sale of Brooklyn assets. To which she replied that this was a field she was not knowledgabe about. As you read in her post she was centered on the medical issues. BUT is there a important piece of information hiding in plain sight as to multi millions of dollars being offered for investment being that of WBTS orgin? Please view the utube video as this post centers on L. Reibling statement that he is looking to invest several multi millions of dollars, WHERE IS THE SOURCE OF THAT MONEY?
Jeff this is your field of expertise do real investors go on public media to advertise they have multi millions to invest? And if per chance L. Reibling is a front man for the WBTS and that is church money what are the chances that the 'sharks' are going to take advantage of that money and remove it from the church. If that were true it would explain the currant money woes so close after of liquidating Brooklyn assets.
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Who is Lorenz Reibling and could he be the front man for investment of Brooklyn's Millions?
by Bill Covert inorphan crow did a important post on lorenz reibling that centered on the medical area of ron lapin and bloodless sugury.
yet the utube interview dealt with reibling in argentina looking to invest in multiple $20 m - $50 m real estate financing.
there was no discussion as to who's money reibling is looking to invest.
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Orphan Crow did a important post on Lorenz Reibling that centered on the medical area of Ron Lapin and bloodless sugury. Yet the Utube interview dealt with Reibling in Argentina looking to invest in multiple $20 M - $50 M real estate financing. There was no discussion as to who's money Reibling is looking to invest. A couple of days ago Jeff T was posting the thought that the WBTS perhaps had set up a invetment division.
What are the chances that the money that L. Reibling is talking about in the utube interview in Orphan Crows post is the money from the sale of Brooklyn properties?